Deal

Deal

I was caught up in an online conversation about the etymology of "Hellas" and "Helen". In the comments a commentator mentioned the menunos father, from the movie "my big fat Greek wedding", and he got a ton of requests from other users, to trace the Greek origins of random words.

One user in particular, Turgon92, asked for the etymology of "Deal" so I looked it up just for fun, and the results I got really caught me by surprise.

It seems the English Deal comes from IndoEuropean root "dail-"
To divide. Northern Indo-European root extended from *da(h2)i‑ (see dā-).
deal1, from Old English dǣlan, to share, from Germanic *dailjan.

So dail- comes from "dā-" so I look that up, as requested by the entry, and it seems it is a simplified form of "dai-"
To divide. Oldest form *deh2‑, colored to *dah2‑, becoming *dā‑.
Variant *dai‑, from extended form *daəi‑, with zero-grade *dī‑ (< *diə‑, metathesized from *dəi‑).
Root form *dai‑. geodesy, from Greek daiesthai, to divide.

????

and this is not from some ethnocentric Greek bull, it's from the American Heritage Dictionary

So Deal < from Old English dǣlan < from Germanic *dailjan < from PIE dail- < from PIE dā- which is a simplified version of an older form < *deh2‑, colored to *dah2‑, becoming *dā‑, which root come from Greek dai- found in the Greek words daiesthai, to divide and daimon  (yes, demon)

From the root *dā‑ comes  demos, which gives deme, demos, demotic; demagogue, demiurge, democracy, demography, endemic, epidemic, pandemic
and also a suffixed variant form *dī-ti‑ which evolves to the English word Tide. (!!!!!!)

Also a suffixed variant form *dī-mon‑ gives the word time, from Old English tīma, time, period, from Germanic *tīmōn‑.

Unbelievable stuff.

My source:
https://www.ahdictionary.com/word/indoeurop.html#dā-
https://www.ahdictionary.com/word/indoeurop.html#dail-

Κραφτ & βερκ (Kraft & Werk)

Το kraft με δυσκόλεψε αλλά κοιτάξτε να δείτε τί βρήκα.

Το craft οι άγγλοι το ετυμολογούν από το Γερ. Kraft από το ΠρωτοΓερμανικό *kraftaz (“strength, power”), που οι Γερμανοί ετυμολογούν από Proto-Indo-European *ger- (“to turn, wind”).

Το πρόβλημα είναι ότι σε όλα τα λεξικά των ινδοευρωπαϊκών ριζών δεν υπάρχει λήμμα *ger- σε αυτή την καθαρή μορφή. Επίσης στις Γερμανικές γλώσσες περιορίζεται σε νόημα σε αυτή τη μορφή.

Δεν μπόρεσα να μην κάνω την σύνδεση με το γερός αφού . Το γερός όμως δεν είναι αρχαίο, αλλά απαντάται στην κοινή, ας πούμε από τα χρόνια του Αλέξανδρου.

Δείτε τί όμορφη ετυμολογία που έχει:
γερός < ελληνιστική κοινή γερός< *ὑγηρός < αρχαία ελληνική ὑγιηρός < ὑγιής

Τα "Πρωτο-Γερμανικά" θεωρούνται ότι μιλούνταν από τον 5ο αιώνα π.Χ. και μετά, ενώ η κοινή από τον 4ο αιώνα π.Χ., δέν έχουν παραπάνω από 150-200 χρόνια διαφοράς έναρξης. Φυσικά και υπήρχε μεγάλο διάστημα κοινής ομιλίας.

Δεδομένου
α) του περιορισμένου νοήματος του "Kraftaz" (οι γηγενείς ρίζες παράγουν περισσότερα νοήματα)
β) της χρονικής ταυτότητας
γ) της γεωγραφικής δυνατότητας επαφής
δ) τη διάδοση της κοινής (Οι κέλτες αυτή την εποχή γράφουν με Ελληνικό αλφάβητο και χρησιμοποιούν πολλές Ελληνικές λέξεις) μόνο μετά τα μισα του 1ου αιώνα π.Χ. οικειοποιούνται το Λατινικό αλφάβητο
ε) την ετυμολογία που δίνουν οι ίδιοι οι Γερμανοί
στ) την απουσία άλλης ετυμολογικής ιστορικότητας της ρίζας *ger- από άλλες Ινδο-Ευρωπαϊκές γλώσσες, και
ζ) την εξέλιξη της Ελληνικής λέξης,

οι Γερμανοί, κατά πάσα πιθανότητα δανείστηκαν την λέξη και το νόημά της, από την κοινή Ελληνική και όχι από την αρχαία.

Το Werk έχει διερευθυνθεί αρκετά.

From Old High German werc, werh, werk, from Proto-Germanic *werką, from Proto-Indo-European *wérǵom, η οποία ρίζα δίνει νοήματα σε διάφορες γλώσσες:

Armenian: գործ (gorc), Slavic: *vьrša (“fishing basket, osier fish-trap”) (possibly), Celtic: *wergā, Old Irish: ferg (“anger”), Welsh: gwery (“active, lively”), Germanic: *werką (see there for further descendants), Sanskrit: वर्ज (varja, adj.), Avestan: (varəzəm), Tocharian A: wark (“wickerwork”)

Τα Ελληνικά όμως είναι αδιαμφισβήτητα η σημαντικότερη πηγή στη διαμόρφωση της ΠΙΕ ρίζας:
Hellenic: *wérgon
Ancient Greek: ἔργον (érgon)
Doric Greek: ϝέργον (wérgon)
Elean Greek: ϝάργον (wárgon)

Ποδόσφαιρο, Football

Ποδόσφαιρο in Greek is rather easy as it is a compound word of ancient Greek words πους and σφαίρα, meaning foot and ball.

Πους related to Latin ped Old English fot and English foot.
Alternate Greek forms: πῶς (pos), Doric πός (pos), Laconic πόρ (por), Ionic κῶς (kos).
The ionic form is most interesting, I wonder if it evolved somewhat different, giving other words in the future. The island Kos (attested since the Iliad) was part of the Doric Hexapolis, it must not be related.

Σφαίρα not related, but I can't get to an etymology either.

Football in english is comprised of the same two compounds, foot and ball.
Foot (n.)
"terminal part of the leg of a vertebrate animal," Old English fot "foot," from Proto-Germanic *fot (source also of Old Frisian fot, Old Saxon fot, Old Norse fotr, Danish fod, Swedish fot, Dutch voet, Old High German fuoz, German Fuß, Gothic fotus "foot"), from PIE root *ped- (1) "a foot" (source also of Avestan pad-; Sanskrit pad-, accusative padam "foot;" Greek pos, Attic pous, genitive podos; Latin pes, genitive pedis "foot;" Lithuanian padas "sole," peda "footstep").
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=foot

Now concerning ball there is a little confusion because the English linguists only go as so far as the Germanic languages are concerned, but do go to the trouble to tie it from PIE *bhel- (2) "to blow, inflate, swell" and give a bunch of derivatives: (source also of Greek phyllon "leaf," phallos "swollen penis;" Latin flos "flower," florere "to blossom, flourish," folium "leaf;" Old Prussian balsinis "cushion;" Old Norse belgr "bag, bellows;" Old English bolla "pot, cup, bowl;" Old Irish bolgaim "I swell," blath "blossom, flower," bolach "pimple," bolg "bag;" Breton bolc'h "flax pod;" Serbian buljiti "to stare, be bug-eyed;" Serbo-Croatian blazina "pillow").
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=ball
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=bole

But another PIE root for “to blow, inflate, swell” exists and it is *bew- which gives words in Germanic languages only, which mean "Tree trunk".
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/b%C5%ABl%C5%8D

They avoid the Italian and Latin influence, let alone the Greek one.  The word the Italians use is Balla, and a word in use modern Greek too μπάλα (loan from Italian). Now looking at the italian etymology, I found something very interesting, the tie to one of the Godess Athena epithets. The italian etimology stated it either originates with Germanic, or with greek βάλειν and/or πάλλας
http://www.etimo.it/?term=balla

Βάλλω is derived by linguists by a different PIE root *gʷl̥-ne-h₁- < *gʷelH-
and which in consensus does give the Latin ballō and from there the Italian ballo, meaning "a dance" or "ball"
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ballo#Latin

Someone is obviously wrong, and I suspect someone oversimplified the changes words underwent, or simply was driven by a kind of wishfull thinking scientists often fall in, by predetermining the outcome of their own research, as there is no linguist who is not himself a speaker of some language, and thus himself immersed in a cultural sub-context.
I don't have the knowledge to pass judgement on who is right, I am not a linguist myself, I have only studied Communication and Philosophy, but will make a note of this and continue searching.

As for Πάλλας, this gives πάλλω (throb), but also Παλλάδα (probably meaning virgin, but may also mean pure, shinning, protector etc.), παλλάδιο (palladium), παλληκάρι (stalwart), παλλακίδα (concubine)
https://el.wiktionary.org/wiki/%CE%A0%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%AC%CE%B4%CE%B1

I want to thank Chrissa Marasli for pointing out there's something going on with the etymology of the word "ball".

Life, Ζωή.

Στα Αγγλικά:
Η λέξη life ετυμολογείται από το ΠρωτοΙνδοΕυρωπαϊκό *leyp-, μία ρίζα που στα Ελληνικά δίνει τη λέξη "λίπος".

Στα Ελληνικά:
ζωή <; αρχαία ελληνική ζάω-ζῶ ή, κατ' άλλους, το ζάω είναι εφεύρεση των γραμματικών και το πρωταρχικό ρήμα ήταν ζήω.
Προσωπικά το βλέπω σαν δύο διαφορετικούς τύπους της ίδιας λέξης, πχ το ένα μπορεί να είναι Ιωνικό, και το άλλο Δωρικό. Ενισχύω την άποψή μου αυτή από το γεγονός ότι, είτε έτσι, είτε αλλιώς, και των δύο ο αρχικός τύπος είναι διάω και ἄω (αναπνέω).

ἄω < ίδια ρίζα με τις λέξεις ἀήρ, αὔρα, ἀτμός, ἀήτης, ἂημι, ἀάω, ίσως ηχομιμητικό από τον ήχο της ανάσας

Free will and the self, *wel- (2), Ελεύθερος

The people who have English as 1st language often confuse "free" with "self", but if one transcends space and time, even with the key of language itself, she / he may find some unsuspected results.

You see the verb "free" only acquired the sense "to make free" rather late at it's evolution, as all cognate words within  the Germanic languages have the meaning of "to love" or "to court", and ultimately stems from the Proto-IndoEuropean root *priy-(a)- "dear, beloved". A similar word (from the same root) is "Friend".

Isn't that a whole new perspective?

In Greek I have seen many etynologies of Ελευθερος (Eleftheros) the Greek word for "free", but they basically end up with of the three for Elefth- and then the -eros either being merely an ending or the word "eros" (love). I like the second because it is ........ with the "love" etymology of "free".
a) ελεύθερος < αρχ. ἐλεύθερος < ΙΕ leudh- "ανυψώνω" (to elevate)
If these root is accepted "eleftheros" means "to grow", or "to love growth"
 b) ἐλεύθερος < *h₁lewdʰ-. Cognate to (Latin) liber, (Sanskrit) रोधति (rodhati) κ.ά. Similar to ἐλεύσομαι, future tense of ἔρχομαι (I am arriving)
If these root is accepted "eleftheros" means "to go about", or "to go about as one pleases"
c) ἐλεύθερος < *h₁lewdʰ- ‎(people). Cognates include Ancient Greek ἐλεύθερος ‎(eleútheros), Sanskrit रोधति ‎(rodhati), Dutch lieden, German Leute, Russian люди ‎(ljudi, “people”).
If these root is accepted "eleftheros" means "to belong to (be part of) the people", or "to love people"

Isn't this third sense absolutely wonderfull, "free" meaning to love others, not the self. 

Self is also not what we'd think, in PIE it is the pronoun of the third person, even if it is often reflexive, from root *s(w)e-, in Greek it gives hos "he, she, it;" It's reflexivity can be seen in other cognates like Latin suescere "to accustom, get accustomed," sodalis "companion;" Old Church Slavonic svoji "his, her, its," svojaku "relative, kinsman;"

So we see in older times the "self" had a strong sense of belonging.

Now as for will, before the etymology I want to point out that the phrase as it stands in Engllish "free will" is parallel with the second notion of Eleftheros I mentioned before, "to go (and do) as one pleases", so by itself it does strengthen (a little) the possibility of that meaning.

will (v.1) (from etymonline.com)
Old English *willan, wyllan "to wish, desire; be willing; be used to; be about to" (past tense wolde), from Proto-Germanic *willjan (source also of Old Saxon willian, Old Norse vilja, Old Frisian willa, Dutch willen, Old High German wellan, German wollen, Gothic wiljan "to will, wish, desire," Gothic waljan "to choose").

The Germanic words are from PIE root *wel- (2) "to wish, will" (source also of Sanskrit vrnoti "chooses, prefers," varyah "to be chosen, eligible, excellent," varanam "choosing;" Avestan verenav- "to wish, will, choose;" Greek elpis "hope;" Latin volo, velle "to wish, will, desire;" Old Church Slavonic voljo, voliti "to will," veljo, veleti "to command;" Lithuanian velyti "to wish, favor," pa-velmi "I will," viliuos "I hope;" Welsh gwell "better").

This is a second etymological root *wel- (2), different from the one we discussed in the previous post about hell < *wel- (1) ‎(“to turn, wind, round”). Cognate with Ancient Greek ἐλύω ‎(elúō, “to roll around”), εἰλύω ‎(eilúō, “to enfold”), εἴλω ‎(eílō, “to roll up, pack close”), ἑλίσσω ‎(helíssō, “to turn round, to roll”), ἕλιξ ‎(héliks), Old Armenian գելում ‎(gelum), Old English wielwan, wealwian ‎(“to roll”).

Revolution (*wel-), hell

Revolution from revolve from Middle English revolven ‎(“to change direction”), a borrowing from Old French revolver ‎(“to reflect upon”), from Latin revolvere, present active infinitive of revolvō ‎(“turn over, roll back, reflect upon”), from re- ‎(“back”) + volvō ‎(“roll”), from Proto-Indo-European *welw-, *wel- ‎(“to turn, wind, round”). Cognate with Ancient Greek ἐλύω ‎(elúō, “to roll around”), εἰλύω ‎(eilúō, “to enfold”), εἴλω ‎(eílō, “to roll up, pack close”), ἑλίσσω ‎(helíssō, “to turn round, to roll”), ἕλιξ ‎(héliks), Old Armenian գելում ‎(gelum), Old English wielwan, wealwian ‎(“to roll”).

Etymology of "hell" is uncertain to say the least. Linguists tie the word to PIE root *ḱel- ‎(“to cover, conceal, save”).

Cognate with Saterland Frisian Hälle ‎(“hell”), German Low German Hell ‎(“hell”), Dutch hel ‎(“hell”), German Hölle ‎(“hell”), Swedish helvete ‎(“hell”), Icelandic hel ‎(“the abode of the dead, death”). Also related to the Hel of Germanic mythology.

in Ancient Greek the PIE root *kel- gives καλύπτω ‎(kalúptō), Καλυψώ ‎(Kalupsṓ) and in Greek: καλύπτω ‎(kalýpto), κέλυφος ‎(kélyfos)

I propose that the tie with PIE *kel- (of hell) is replaced with *wel- (as above) and direct semiological connection being made with helix.

It makes sense phonetically too, allthough I can't in any way rule out the kel>sel>hel or kel>wel>hel change. Unfortunately for the intermediate steps to occur there must be sound reason to accept these. Since etymology of hell proves so ambiguous I propose the simplest connection which is with *wel-.

It's meaning of "turning over", "switch", and "move on" fit in better with the notion that was widespread accross Ancient Europe of life switching places and it's movement from the "upper world" to the "under world" than merely "covering one's body" which was not always the case. Many cultures burned their dead. In Greece each city state had it's own customs, other burning, while other burying their dead.

(Είδωλα των νεκρών) Charon in his ferry and souls of the deceased flying about (Photo Source: Great Greek Encyclopedia, Volume X., page 520)

In Xenophon (hellinica 1.3.15) we meet the name Ἕλιξος which is correctly translated as Helixus (the Megarian) into English.

In Sanskrit we encounter मण्डल (máṇḍala) which one of it's notions is the wheel of life, from birth to death, which further strengthens the turning notion. It is also of interest that the PIE root *wel- in Sanskrit gives उल्ब (ulba, "womb", membrane surrounding the embryo)

Μπούλο

Μεγάλο μυστήριο η παραπάνω λέξη.

"Μπούλο" μπορεί να είναι μοντέρνα δωρική παραφθορά του "Πούλο" που λένε στη Νότιο Ελλάδα. Σε αυτή την περίπτωση εξιστορούν για κάποιον πουλόπουλο που την έκανε για να γλιτώσει από τα χρέη του. Από την άλλη, κατά τον Μπαμπινιώτη, αναφέρεται στο πουλί, και κατ' επέκταση στο ανδρικό μόριο. Λέγοντας δηλαδή "πάρε τον πούλο" προτρέπουμε κάποιον να φύγει, αλλιώς θα βρεθεί αντιμέτωπος με πουλιά!

Από την άλλη στην Ήπειρο και την Μακεδονία έχουμε τις Μπούλες, ένα αποκριάτικο χορευτικό δρώμενο με έναν άντρα ντυμένο νύφη, την Μπούλα. "Μπούλα" πιθανόν να είναι Αλβανικό και σημαίνει κάλυμμα, πέπλο.

Το μπουλούκι τώρα είναι τούρκικο < boluk Ετυμολογία: [<τουρκ. boluk "συντροφιά, λόχος"]

Σαν επίθετο "Μπούλος" το βρήκα μόνο στο Σέρβου Γορτυνίας.
http://saouarcadian.blogspot.gr/2014/07/1872_19.html

Ο Χρυσόστομος Τσιρίδης σε δικό του μπλόγκ γράφει για τον Καμπανισμό συμφωνικών συμπλεγμάτων:
"Βέβαια μπορεί κάποιος να πει ότι και ο ΚΑΡΑΪΣΚΑΚΗΣ δεν έλεγε «τον… Πούλο», αλλά «το…. ΜΠούλο» ή κάτι τέτοιο νομίζω….! (Καλά έκανε).."
http://www.chrisblog.gr/

Ίσως τελικά ο Μπούλος να είναι απλά καμπανισμός του Πούλου.